Hot Topix: Was Russia involved?

00:00.20
Henry
Hey, everyone it's Henry Mike and Jeff of the decentralists and welcome to our latest hot topic and well this week we've got a bit of a controversial one. We've got a question and that is was Russia. Somehow involved or behind the terrible October Seventh Hamas attack in Israel. So Michael you've been in ki for over a ah year now. Why don't you start us off.

00:33.19
Mike
Um, right? Um, so I think the short answer to that question Henry I think we can just wrap this podcast up in 5 seconds yes um you know it's it's so there's there's this has been kind of a ah thread that's been going on. Okay, so I've been here for a year

00:50.56
Henry
Um, okay, stop Mike stop um like the last podcast your um signal is low if you can turn up your volume I'd be great.

00:57.94
Mike
What do you mean? my do I to turn up the microphone. Yeah, yeah, let me turn it up pull on let me do it on that you need the you mean like the the microphone volume right? gain.

01:08.94
Geoff
The microphone gain or if you can just get closer to your microphone.

01:09.77
Henry
Um, yeah, because it's yes, it's probably okay so maybe it it would be just a little bit louder would be ideal I had to had to frickin max you last time.

01:15.64
Mike
My microphones. It's a lavalier clip to my freaking shirt so it should be. It's just the gang. Yeah me okay, let me just do it just a second home on second gentlemen.

01:28.94
Henry
Um, glade did you did you listen to the last um podcast. It's a good one? Yeah yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, how's the fam Jeff.

01:30.70
Geoff
I haven't yet but I will it looks like it would be good.

01:35.49
Mike
It is actually a good 1 microphone accessibility. What the fuck.

01:44.20
Geoff
They're good. We're flying to Vancouver on Saturday morning at six thirty a m so they are. They're pretty excited about that nothing like that traveling the Saturday before Christmas so that's.

01:45.13
Henry
Wow oh Jesus.

01:48.14
Mike
Oh fucking Hell oh.

01:56.10
Henry
Ah, no, you're you're absolutely 100% right but the good news is no no, we don't have snow in in Canada any longer. So it's just going to be rainy. That's all.

01:57.18
Geoff
That's why you want to be there at the crack is stupid because by. But.

02:05.69
Geoff
Yeah, that's good.

02:11.91
Mike
Okay, um, okay so I've kind of cranked the gain here henry is that way too much. Okay, how about this Henry is that better like get.

02:14.45
Henry
Wow Yup, a little bit back would be great perfect and so I just said I just said this and then you're off. Um, yeah, you know Mike you've been in Kiev for.

02:25.20
Mike
Just kick it off.

02:31.16
Henry
Over a year now. So let's start with you. What are your thoughts.

02:36.71
Mike
Um, um, well Henry I like so I think that we can end this pod. This could be the shortest podcast ever. You know at 5 seconds because the answer is yes, um now can I authoritatively right? with actual. Evidence and you know all of this kind of stuff. Um stand up and say that you know, kind of Russia is behind this this kind of latest escalation or this you know this kind of a because it's a frozen conflict right? I mean I as is Hamas has been kind of you know, firing a couple of rockets here and there you know these guys get you know.

03:02.70
Henry
Ah.

03:11.70
Mike
Because you think about it. It's a completely enclosed enclave right? So they'll fire like 2 rockets. You know they're probably making them on a cardboard and whatever tubes they got left right because I'm sure that the you know the israelis who control all of the stuff going in and out of gaza are not allowed. They're like oh this one's Rocket parts. No problem. They're you know they're right.

03:25.73
Henry
Yeah, of course.

03:30.60
Mike
Um, but October seven was different right? I mean October seven you know the the israelis have got this this air defense system. It's called the iron dome right? And and it's it's like supposedly the most sophisticated.

03:38.97
Henry
Who.

03:48.22
Mike
Um, air defense system probably outside of kif right now because the air defense system here is pretty good and um, you know they the on October Seventh which maybe coincidentally is Putin's birthday and my brothers by the way.

03:53.66
Henry
Ah.

04:01.62
Henry
Um, oh really? ah Putin's birthday

04:07.37
Mike
Um, October Seventh is Putin's birthday so on October Seventh Hamas goes from being this you know I mean let's face it right? Any of us who watch the news or you know read magazines or newspapers right? I mean you kind of figure Hamas is kind of like this you know ragtag group of. Of you know agitators all of a sudden 5000 rockets right? 5000 so it doesn't matter whether your dome is iron or diamond or whatever you get rockets are getting through right.

04:29.70
Henry
Ah, yeah, it's incredible.

04:40.31
Henry
Yeah.

04:44.26
Mike
And and as part of part of the challenge has also been with this kind of you know the Israelis have been you know, look in the other way when it comes to settlers just going in and setting up houses in the middle of you know, Basically what is quote Unquote Palestinian territory. Um.

04:58.82
Henry
Earth.

05:03.58
Mike
You know all you're doing is creating more targets. It's something that happens in Ukraine right? The you know the the air defense sirens will go off the moment they detect a plane leaving the ground right? or some kind of launch. Well you know.

05:03.70
Henry
Right.

05:22.16
Mike
When you when the when the in Ukraine Kiev is pretty much covered like's you know there's patriot. There's there's all these other air defense systems. It not much gets through right? The other day was the biggest drone attack in Ki it was two weeks ago and it was 75 drones at the same time and they shot him all? yeah.

05:37.90
Henry
Wow is that right.

05:41.70
Mike
Shot them all down right? Yeah, it was the biggest biggest attack in single attack in one day and they shot him all down and then the next a couple days later they fired like 7 of these caliber. Um hypersonic. You can't catch me if you can type of missiles and they shot them all down ped took them all down.

05:56.60
Henry
Ah, okay.

06:00.68
Mike
So you know when you've got these smaller quantities. Um, which is kind of like a you know you figure. It's an annoyance type of thing. Um you you end up with this scenario where you know the air defense can take care of it. This was clearly a. Somehow Hamas went from having 2 or three rockets a month to having 5000 on hand for one one day right and there they went from having a couple couple hundred guys and girls running around with like rocks to having.

06:20.84
Henry
Yeah.

06:34.10
Mike
Like 30000 trained soldiers. How does this happen without the involvement of a major military power. That's basically my thought right.

06:40.99
Geoff
And I should add that you know this isn't Mike just making up crazy conspiracy theories as he hunkers in the basement while the yeah ok how about if I just get closer. How's that sound.

06:41.15
Henry
Aha. Okay.

06:48.80
Henry
Okay, stop Jeff if you could put yours up slightly too as long as it's comfortable and then you started with I might add.

06:58.39
Geoff
Yeah that's fine I might add that we're those are great points Mike but I might add that we're not just you're not just making this up as you hunker in the basement listening to the air raid siren sound I mean there is as you said hasn't been proven but but there's. Credible evidence from other yeah other sources that this is happening you know news reporting from from Al Jazeera articles in the washington post. Ah the hill which is fairly reputable reporter on what's going on on capitol hill so it isn't just that. Gee this is what we think is happening. There is a pretty strong There's a pretty strong assortment of evidence circumstantial perhaps but evidence nonetheless amongst the international community that this is indeed what's happening.

07:38.44
Henry
Ah.

07:52.66
Mike
Right? right.

07:55.33
Henry
And what kind of evidence or what kind of stuff are they um, okay, let's just say it's circumstantial evidence but what kind of stuff are they finding.

08:05.50
Mike
Well I mean um, you know for example, um, you know 1 of the one of the one of the things that I've I've seen reported right? is I've seen these scenes of the 3 There's 3 3 guys that are the leaders of Hamas.

08:19.22
Henry
Who.

08:21.90
Mike
Like the founders and they're on a private jet wearing gold rolexes on their way to like Qatar or someplace like this which is basically the money pot for all of these guys right.

08:26.23
Henry
Yeah, yeah.

08:38.80
Mike
And the the estimates are that these 3 guys are worth $11000000000 right um so you've got this right? You've got um you know I've seen it reported that even netanyahoo.

08:41.94
Henry
Oh boy.

08:54.78
Mike
Is kind of a little bit potentially involved in this thing in that you know there have been the qattais who are you know they? they're basically what there's two hundred Thousand qtaris and they've got more money than you know 8 gods put together and they've been. They've been doing um, they've been kind of funding back and forth these types of things and ah, yes, so basically I just saw you text in there wasn't there a big money transfer there. There's there. There is lots of big money transfers right? but this is not real money right? So so the the. The reality is is is my understanding of the way that it works is the main funnel funnel of money in for all of these terrorist groups from Iran to all these places is hezbollah in lebanon right? And those those guys have been around forever and.

09:42.55
Henry
Oh okay.

09:51.60
Mike
And so the idea is is that what what you have is you have money. But more importantly, you have um, let's say equipment. Right? Because it's not like you can if you're a billionaire like maybe Elon Musk I don't know can this guy just walk out and say I want to buy myself an Apache attack helicopter like will they sell it to him probably not legitimately. Okay, but if he goes to some weird market in the middle of the hills in Nepal or someplace like this.

10:11.38
Henry
Er.

10:20.26
Mike
He can probably buy himself 1 right? So the bigger thing is is where are these things coming from so you have Putin who when he starts when he starts the war in Ukraine it's and it's not even like it's not even conjecture anymore. They're shooting down drones.

10:36.65
Henry
Oh of course.

10:37.84
Mike
That have got Iranian writing all over them right? They're shooting down Iranian drones and then the other day when it like I made made my mistake. It was not caliber missiles. It was ballistic Missiles. So These are they've remembered their reports I'm sure you've seen them. First it was the the Iranians were selling the Russians the drones and then they were selling them ballistic missiles right? and ballistic is in the ground in a tube or in 1 of those trucks like the stuff that delivers nuclear payloads right? So This stuff is so fast.

10:59.43
Henry
Ah, ah, ah.

11:06.11
Henry
Um, yeah.

11:10.92
Mike
Like it was it was literally the other day I heard the Patriot battery go off knocking these ballistic missiles out of the air before the air rate siren went off because they're that fast and and so how can how can this all be a coincidence.

11:20.79
Henry
Wow.

11:27.60
Mike
Right? You've got Russia involved in a protracted war in Ukraine. That's not going their way right? and it's they're kind of we're approaching a frozen conflict both literally and figuratively because it's winter now and big surprise. Um, some other hot spot in the world flames up and everybody's attention. You know this this piece of our brain that says what is my what? what? How am I getting my war fixed today switches from Ukraine to Gaza.

11:58.78
Geoff
And that I think is perhaps the most critical piece there is certainly evidence about money moving around and where did these missiles come from the the connections between the palestinian authority and first the Soviet Union and then Russia that goes back 50 years probably to the you know, probably not quite to the om kippur war. But yeah, you know, but almost so so you have all of these bigger picture geopolitical considerations and I would argue the biggest geopolitical consideration. Is that putin and perhaps to a lesser degree China but but really Putin is is a chaos agent really really what he wants to see it. You know is is choose that word again chaos and and distraction.

12:41.50
Henry
Her.

12:44.42
Mike
The hundred percent hundred percent

12:52.97
Geoff
He wants to fracture Nato he wants to fracture the western allies he wants to see the ascendancy of China all of these things are actions that distract from you know from what he is doing and in Ukraine. Yeah, and.

13:07.50
Henry
He wants to mess up elections too and he does.

13:12.46
Geoff
You know and the wagner group. Um, despite what recently happened to their leader is still fighting proxy wars for Russia and Africa and all of not even proxy wars just wars for Russia and Africa so you know I think I think all of that is ah. You know is the icing that is that is on top of this where exactly as you say if if he can get ah you know if he can get the nation's well not the nation. The world's focus on the palestinians then and away from him then. You know, then that makes things much easier for him. You know the fact that he is engaged in atrocities in the Ukraine if suddenly the west ally is bombing kids in you know in palestinian kids then not intentionally unlike Putin who is intentionally.

13:51.96
Henry
Um, ah.

13:57.54
Mike
Ah, hey in here.

14:07.40
Geoff
Bombing at Ukrainian kids. But nevertheless um you know suddenly he can say you know the whataboutism can can can can go very strong here. Um, so you you can see why that would be be very much in his interest and then the other.

14:13.37
Mike
Exactly.

14:15.53
Henry
Ah.

14:25.73
Geoff
The other objective that he has is he really I think needs to get Donald Trump reelected president because if Trump is president. You know the funding for Ukraine I mean it's already so possibly going to dry up, but it's it's definitely going to dry up once once Trump is. If Trump god help us if Trump becomes president and ah you know and so again, any chaos that he can sow that will you know that will lead to the possible election of Trump is also also an objective um for his and. I guess the final piece of the well not the final but another piece of the calculation that that we should consider and you touched on this briefly Mike is um is Iran um in ah in the summer of two 15 the ah Obama administration. Um, signed the jcpoa with Iran the joint comprehensive plan of action and basically this was known as the Iran deal or the Iran nuclear deal which ah caused Iran to basically shut down their nuclear weapons program in exchange for the unfreezing of some assets. And ah, you know you know a number of other concessions. They'd allowed inspectors in and and so on and so forth and you might say well what does that have to do with anything. There's no nukes here, but but you know when once Trump came into office. He tore up the gc jcpoa um, and and.

15:42.19
Henry
Right.

16:00.89
Geoff
Basically put the sanctions back in place and and so on and what the Jcpwa was doing in addition, you know the big picture was the nuclear. Ah the nuclear deal but the smaller picture was basically trying to bring Iran back into. Um you know, bring. Bring Iran part of the the international family of nations. Basically you know make them make them more responsible make them more open. It was kind of the first step towards um you know towards much like you're seeing with other nations in the Middle East to to normalizing relations and.

16:20.36
Henry
Yeah, responsible country.

16:21.62
Mike
Correct.

16:38.25
Geoff
And Trump and his administration threw that through that all out the window. Um, so you know that that would in turn you know incentivize Iran to help hamas with with their attacks as well. So that whole connection between you know Iran. Russia and Trump tearing up the the nuclear deal is you know something that that has to be considered as well.

17:04.00
Henry
Yeah, that's fascinating and and don't forget I mean Trump is is is a big fan of Putin's he looks at him as as a successful strong man and I think that's how what Trump wants to be his will.

17:20.87
Mike
Well, yeah I mean you know, let's face it right? Putin has written the the the rule book and he's willing to share it. You know he's he's he's for for people who want to be a putin right for anybody who. Believes that they whether it's whether it's you know, kind of rational belief or or psychotic belief or sociopathic belief but any any of these anybody who gets into power someplace like an african dictator. Um Trump. Any of these guys and the ideas you want to be there forever because you think you're the best and you just want the power and you want to do whatever you want Putin's written the Playbook. He's the poster boy right? I mean it's like having fair fossil on the inside of your bathroom door when you were twelve years old no but you know what I mean like.

18:02.28
Henry
Yeah, yeah.

18:09.68
Henry
Ah, okay, so so question for yeah, absolutely.

18:14.92
Mike
But this is this is it and and and so so the idea and and and the thing is is that you know let's not be mistaken right? You know the the you know when they talk about things like the weapons being donated to Ukraine to fight the war one of the things that's been that's been. That's. 1 of the reasons behind it being so it's taking so long. You know they're like how long is it taken to get air defense or how long does it take to get high mars or how long does it take to get this stuff is because the americans are worried about this stuff being captured by a rush by the russians right? And so so for them.

18:44.33
Henry
Absolutely.

18:51.50
Mike
Um, things like military technology right? The blueprints for missiles and for you know ships and for all this stuff is is like literally the most secret stuff that you can have. It's like the it's like the formula for kentucky fried chicken or Coca-cola right.

19:04.42
Henry
Um, yeah, yeah.

19:08.39
Mike
And and for the russians they don't care right? I mean I don't know if you noticed the other day they had ah they had a test the the North Koreans who have been you know supplying Russia with artillery shells and stuff like this. Apparently they go about eight feet and then blow up.

19:21.41
Henry
Yep.

19:26.28
Mike
But you know they've they've been supplying him with artillery shells and with you know system like weapons because they're all based on russian plans anyway, right? they they did. They launched the longest range ballistic missile test. They've ever done North Korea like three days ago is that a coincidence.

19:31.87
Henry
Earth.

19:39.66
Henry
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no absolutely not.

19:45.98
Mike
Hell no right? You know what? I mean so Putin walk in he'll be like ah you know blah blah blah here's my here's my playbook for being a dictator yada yada yada oh and by the way what do you want right.

19:54.39
Henry
Yeah, yeah.

19:57.82
Mike
I need I need some chaos all over the world I need some artillery shells I Need whatever oh you want the plans for a freaking nuclear submarine. No problem.

20:06.76
Henry
Yeah, yeah, okay question for you or for for for Jeff um, is there a history of I don't know a good relationship or collusion between ah Russia and Hamas.

20:23.79
Geoff
Ah, well, it's it's like what Mike said at the top it is um, you know it's all circumstantial. But ah, you know, but but the circumstances are you know? Ah, the circumstances are are pretty strong right? As I said earlier.

20:36.61
Henry
Yeah.

20:39.61
Geoff
There's a long history of a relationship between the palestinian authority and the Soviet Union that continued on when the Soviet Union became Russia um Mahmoud Abbas I think god is ph d at a russian university so that you know and with.

20:46.60
Henry
Um, da.

20:59.25
Geoff
With Israel being such a strong ally of the west for decades it. It would only make sense that you know the palestinians look for someone to align themselves with and um and and Russia would would be there now to to be clear i.

21:13.75
Henry
Yes.

21:18.83
Geoff
I'll speak for myself here. You know I am a supporter of the 2 wo-state solution I believe the palestinian people have you know you know have a right to live I I don't you know I don't I don't I think that yeah you know I think that you know that is that is sort of that is sort of unequivocal.

21:26.71
Mike
Hundred percent

21:33.53
Henry
Um, who.

21:38.61
Geoff
Ah, but that being so just in the same way. Cuba has turned to the Soviet Union when no one else would help them. It's not a great surprise that the palestinians turned to the Soviet Union so you know so yes, there is there is a there is a history there.

21:51.51
Henry
Aha.

21:57.57
Geoff
I think what the difference is now is you know we're sorry to admit to our younger listeners. You know we're all old enough to remember when the Soviet Union was around and you know while they were terrible. They were not that interested in gross instability and chaos because they sort of.

22:14.31
Mike
Hundred percent

22:15.58
Henry
That's true.

22:16.72
Geoff
They sort of saw that you know they sort of saw that that harmed them as much as it harmed everyone else whereas today that piece of the equation is gone so that's where the relationship between you know Russia and you know these. Corrupt palestinians flying on corporate jets with gold rolexes are that's where it's kind of coming off the rails.

22:39.66
Henry
Yeah, good point.

22:43.50
Mike
I ah I couldn't agree more and I think I think just you know I mean a couple of a couple of points to add on this right is that you know you you know Um I don't know if you if you noticed so you so basically think of what you got right now if you're put okay. You're a global pariah like basically you know out of out of 100 and what 98 countries or something like this on the planet you are persona non grata in like a hundred and eighty of them. Okay.

22:59.00
Henry
Er.

23:14.55
Mike
Um, but what you've also got is so your so your persona non grata you've got an arrest warrant out for for all this for stealing children all this other kind of stuff and um, what was it? Ah the the was I think about a week ago. The Hamas guys went to Moscow. Because he's now offering to broker peace with Israel right? So you know think of it you you start the conflict. Um and now basically the only way it ends.

23:34.49
Henry
Oh boy.

23:50.14
Mike
Is for the west to actually go to Putin's doorstep and say can we please negotiate the end of this hamas Israel conflict I mean this is the kindest stuff where I think this is the frustration that the other. Kind of former eastern european countries right? like the polands the Lithuanias the latvias the estonias the czechs all of these folks. They're like you guys have no idea who this human is you have no idea how he plays these games.

24:19.76
Henry
Yep, Well, he's not human. It's true.

24:25.69
Mike
He's freaking 9 steps ahead of you in this in this thing and he doesn't care about human rights. He doesn't care about how many people die doesn't even if there is own people I mean how do you like? how do you like that.

24:36.72
Henry
Do That's true.

24:44.53
Mike
He did one of this 4 hour press conferences together day and apparently he said he's totally fine if 100000 russians die every year for the next ten years fighting in Ukraine I mean what do you do? If you're that human, what do you do? if you're a russian but what do you do how do you sit there.

24:51.47
Henry
Um, oh yeah, it's like Syria.

25:01.59
Mike
Oh there's Justin Trudeau and he's totally fine of 100000 canadians die every year in I don't care of what oh great I'm going to vote for that guy I mean are you out of your mind. Okay, and so now what he's what this this thing has done like it's it just cannot be a coincidence.

25:09.23
Henry
Yeah, well.

25:19.91
Mike
It cannot be a coincidence and I guarantee you what you will see is you will see within the next couple of weeks right? as the pressure grows on mounts on Israel to stop the war right? You will see a notice that will say. If you want to end this war all roads to negotiation with hamas to end this war and in Moscow.

25:43.79
Henry
Oh man I surely wouldn't want to see that.

25:48.70
Mike
Seriously and and how does that How does that prove it if not oh.

25:50.11
Geoff
The um I.

25:51.30
Henry
what do you think? what do you think Jeff

25:53.30
Geoff
Yeah, that's all spot on I would say the other piece of the calculation is that America is so much more complicated in terms of its polarization now that it than it was fifty years ago Fifty years ago walter core. Well.

26:04.90
Henry
Yeah, or ten years ago.

26:11.89
Geoff
Yeah, true. But but really I mean I'm I'm terrible I feel terrible to admit this to you Henry But ten years ago was 2014 um almost twenty fourteen point yeah but you know if you go back? 50 years Walter Cronkite would have been on the evening news.

26:30.87
Mike
Here.

26:31.29
Geoff
He would have sort of been the calm voice to America he would have said these guys are are enemies and they oppose freedom and this is what we're doing and you know America fifty years ago or Canada fifty years ago was was far from perfect, but it was not the. Divided nation that it is today thanks to the likes of Tucker Carlson and all of these loudmouths who yeah Ben Shapiria Ben Shapiro and yeah and all these yeah hundred other thousand other podcasts shouting shouting into the microphone where.

26:54.39
Henry
And social media. But that's a whole hundred other podcasts.

26:55.50
Mike
And.

27:07.88
Geoff
Explaining to the american people you know Mike was saying you know the complexities of peace negotiations in Moscow and what that means and what America has to do and all of that like explaining that to the american people because that's really, you has to understand it. It's very difficult and it's almost impossible to reach them mall and you know when the New York Times can publish a 2 page spread with photos and so on and all the people that already believed it will read it and understand it but nobody else who needs to be convinced will read it and understand it and so.

27:26.60
Henry
Ah.

27:37.89
Henry
Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah.

27:43.20
Geoff
You know that is the other challenge and that's what I said at the top about about Putin being this chaos agent where he can just he can just throw out some some tweets or x's or posts or whatever Musk calls him this week and and they'll just all go viral and it'll all just and'll I'll just unravel further so he's still calling. He's still calling the ukrainians nazis and you know and and when you're but again, that's you know that's further chaos where it's like.

28:08.79
Henry
I know.

28:17.82
Geoff
You know where obviously that word nazi and Israel and the jewish people and zionism I mean it's just it's just the worst kind of greasy alphabet soup you could ever try to eat. so um so yeah it's it's again evidence is circumstantial but that.

28:22.60
Mike
Absolutely.

28:36.91
Geoff
Evidence is pretty strong.

28:38.93
Henry
Yeah, well gentlemen. Thank you very much. It's ah it's kind of a scary topic. But I think we have to accept reality and and I hope our leaders do too so they can truly um, figure out how to stop this. Menace.

28:57.87
Mike
Now before ah because I will literally barf in my mouth if I have to do a podcast about Donald Trump and Putin shaking hands about peace in Ukraine and and in Gaza but peace breakers the peacemakers could you imagine where here we go.

29:05.25
Henry
Okay, no, no, no I don't I don't even want to hear you say that? Ah, ah yeah.

29:13.10
Henry
Oh yeah, stop it stop it as Putin kills hundreds of thousands of ukrainians. Okay, so okay, that's enough.

29:13.25
Geoff
L.

29:14.22
Mike
Nobel prize Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin what a freaking joke that wouldn't surprise me, don't if that happens if that happens I'm move I'm kidding on elon's.

29:21.74
Geoff
If that happens I'm moving into my garden shed and.

29:30.49
Mike
Like boat to Mars or whatever it is I'm done.

29:32.57
Geoff
All right? Will you stay safe out there Mike and happy holidays and Merry Christmas to all of our listeners.

29:33.90
Henry
Ouch, okay guys. Well absolutely.

29:35.78
Mike
Okay, thank you.

29:41.49
Henry
Yes, whatever you're celebrating have a fantastic time and thank you Jeff and thank you Mike.

29:42.45
Mike
Exactly merry Christmas everybody. Thank you Henry.

29:50.45
Geoff
Bye.